Hi folks,
The last 48 hours have been absolutely amazing. As you can see in my other thread, the bad apples at CCP are finally being forced to admit to their shady dealings. Kugutsumen.com and the scandal as a whole has been covered in a wide variety of media outlets from WarCry to the Escapist, and three times on Slashdot alone, and the site is averaging 100 people online. kieron's attempt at censoring me has largely served to further fuel the flames and the wall of silence kieron and his ISD are enforcing finally seems to be breaking. The Sniggs & Goons mustered a 100 man suicide fleet with ships all named "Kugutsumen's Revenge". I'm nearly in tears.
CCP is, however, still trying to perform damage control, by giving us as little as they think they can possibly get away with. To give examples: T20 only admitted to 6 of the 10 BPOs that I listed. Helmar's blog was nothing more than a wordy version of kieron's original investigation closing thread. kieron and his ISD cronies are still large and in charge on the forums and not allowing us to get the word out to the players. Just last night, a GM was scanned out while scouting GoonSwarm POSs around the time the Band of Developers announced their invasion:
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=172
We've made way, but we're not yet at our destination. What, you ask is that? There's a large division in what everyone thinks should happen. One one hand, we have the people who think this is getting way out of hand and is harming the game, and on the other we have people calling for mass bannings of the entire BoD alliance, with lots of people inbetween. But it's important to be reasonable here. What needs to happen is the following:
- The willynilly censorship performed by kieron and the ISD has to stop. It is neither fair nor good for the game that things like this are attempted suppressed.
- The ban on discussion of GM affairs must be removed. While I don't and never have believed that CCP as a whole is rotten or corrupt, it's now completely obvious to every EVE player that some parts of CCP are, and our inability to discuss these things quite evidently hinders the fairness of the game.
- The Internal Affairs touted by Helmar must be transparent and willing to be open to the playerbase. The concern here is not over a few T2 Ammo BPOs and a Sabre BPO that, while financially very useful, are not important in the greater scheme of things. The concern is that the playerbase's trust in CCP has been harshly damaged, and only tangible reassurance will help to heal it - no amount of vague posts from kieron or hitting of the Delete Post button from the ISD will do that.
But the rotten BPOs have been removed, an Internal Affairs has been created, and the community appreciates these things. I ask that people stop their requests for unreasonable things such as "BoB should be disbanded", "T20 should be fired" and so forth, because we have gotten this far not just through our justified outrage, but by being unified in our outrage, and we need to show CCP that not only can the players be worked with, but we can be worked with towards reasonable goals that are good for the game - because we can and we do.
As for my still banned accounts, Lead GM Grimmi cited the following reasons:
Essentially, I have been banned for bringing their corruption to light, and they are very open about that. That said: if what it takes to get CCP to clean up their dirty laundry is five of my paying accounts banned, then that's a sacrifice I am willing to make.Originally Posted by Lead GM Grimmi
Kugutsumen
You're my hero.
thats funny because i can think of a ton of other people that violated the same rules and still play. FREE KUGUTSUMEN.
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This is complete BS. It was CCP employees cheating the system that made life harder on CCP! This is no different than the cops arresting a crime victim, because they put a burden on the police department.You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services
Hello CCP. We pay you to deal with this shit!
sorry to be the bearer of bad news but grimmi is a dick to begin with. That could have been the worst guy to investigate this.
i have some serious reasons I don't want to go directly into in this area.
ahahahaha what
that's completely unacceptable,
FREE KUGUTSUMEN
This is crazy, hopefully enough player outrage gets you unbanned. This whole issue is absolutelty insane.
Last edited by TIinPA; 2007-02-11 at 07:56 PM.
That is such bullshit sirmolle released your information and you see nothing happen to him
The truth is, you DID hack the forums, whether GMs have access to that evidence or not.
What they could prove was a huge breach of the EULA, and that was enough.
You weren't banned for that, you were banned with that legitimising it.
Remember that they took Al Capone down for tax evasion.
Can't help but
feel that
this post seems
ever so slightly
DB
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ccp going to bann me for robbing the taco bell down the road too?
ok, however plausible this "fate of seal" is, it is however just yet another sign that this CCP are not "able to police themselves" and the balance task inside CCP itself, is far from a corrected done task. Further, even more so, this yet again states that nothing yet is corrected in CCP. Check the book of law if you will, if you harm a company in real life because you where right with your claims, the entity that was right will get to pay the costs associated with damage control and cost of the lawsuit will come to the damaged party. The claimer of wrong doing should be 100% restored. CCP fails in any comprehensible form to come close to real life practice, CCP's eula shows the same signs, and this is simply yet another sign to me of huge amounts of corruption yet to be discovered. Even at this point.Essentially, I have been banned for bringing their corruption to light, and they are very open about that. That said: if what it takes to get CCP to clean up their dirty laundry is five of my paying accounts banned, then that's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
My view is simple, CCP should stop playing as members of any alliance, their accounts should be marked as CCP devs and they can of course forum up their own alliance as per normal. I do not believe CCP should stop playing the game. But the community should be aware of what kind of advantages these people have to the fact that they created the game world itself. Further people will always remain human, a human will always act as we where created, its the survival of the fittest. In between here you can not police a virtual world 100%, all police doing this in the real world have failed. Crime will happen. Corruption will 100% guaranteed happen. There is no reason to impose or suggest we should give our self "status of superhuman" and all gm's and ISD team take no side taking or take no position in the world they so strongly love. This goes directly back to who we are. What we are made of and what brought the human race to where we are now.
However what is discovered here is out of "whack" all together. I strongly believe I have not heard a singly suggestion that covers fully what needs doing in full to restore trust in CCP again. As it goes now the outcry will only get louder, and more corruption will come.
My view is this, either CCP take drastic measures and totally change the way they run their "show" or a real life lawsuit is the best tool to counter CCP at this stage. Why such drastic measures you ask. Well the foundation of such a drastic measure is proven yet again lately, it is also a fully earned proven track record already over 4 years of history now.
kugutsumen - the story of a famous hacker that broke into a band of brothers and found something awful
<Aoi-chan> everyone's first vi session. ^C^C^X^X^X^XquitqQ!qdammit[esc]qwertyuiopasdfghjkl;:xwhat
It is almost ironic when T20 (Or do I mix devs up ?) stated he would very likely get fired if he won't get forum portraits working in time
ya who ever posted your personal info on the fourms should also be banned u should file a pettion
FREE KUGUTSUMEN!!!
This 97 pages discussion with most people arguing whether Kugutsumen or Molle should be banned reminds me the Jesus vs Barabbas. Now I wonder which one plays Barabbas.
CCP reminds me another CCP... Chinese Communist Party.The penalty for Barabbas' crime was death by crucifixion, but according to all four Gospels there was a prevailing Passover custom in Jerusalem that allowed Pilate, the praefectus or governor of Judaea, to commute one prisoner's death sentence by popular acclaim, and the "crowd" (ochlos) — which has become "the Jews" and "the multitude" in some translations — were offered a choice of whether to have Barabbas or Jesus Christ released from Roman custody.
Last edited by Space Jew; 2007-02-12 at 07:14 AM.
This is a truly wonderful clause.16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users.
Taken to its logical conclusion, this means they can permaban people for logging in...
Yeah, that's what gaming companies refer to as their "catch all." It's similar to restaurants posting a sign that says "we reserve the right to refuse service blah blah blah." They basically fall back on that rule when they know they've failed miserably at proving anything else. It's basically their get out of jail free card to avoid being sued by a customer.This is a truly wonderful clause.
Taken to its logical conclusion, this means they can permaban people for logging in...
And the grand finale :
We would like to thank everyone for their comments and voicing their concerns over these recent allegations. We have answered as many questions in this forum thread as possible, t20 has issued an apology for his part and Hellmar (CCP's CEO for those that are unaware) has also issued a statement.
We are looking towards the future, what we can do to improve EVE and repair the recent damage done to the EVE community. We ask the community to assist in this endeavour.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
"t20 has issued an apology for his part "
This is the part I have a problem with. I just don't think that's enough. If your whole organization is dedicated to producing a game, it seems that damaging the integrity of that game would be a fireable offense.
Agreed, that's the part of it which stinks most, by far.
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